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Rabbi Eli Mansour

Daf Yomi

Avodah Zarah 44

Lectured by Rabbi Eli Mansour

Published
September 27, 2010
Duration
51:01

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This study of the Talmud Bavli, specifically Masechet Avodah Zarah, page forty-four, is dedicated for the elevation of the soul of Avraham ben Esther; may his spirit find rest in paradise. It is also dedicated for the complete recovery of Mickey ben Jamie, and for a full healing of soul and body for all the ill of the people of Israel.

We begin our exploration on the second side of page forty-three with a Mishnah. Rabbi Yose teaches that when dealing with an object of idolatry, one must grind it up and either scatter it in the wind or cast it into the sea. Since one is forbidden from deriving any benefit from such an object, it must be completely destroyed. However, the other Rabbis disagree with this method. They argue that by scattering the ground-up metal in the wind, it will eventually settle on the ground and serve as fertilizer for the soil. They cite the Torah, which states that nothing of a banned item should cling to one's hand, implying a total prohibition on any benefit from idolatry. The Rabbis contend that using it as fertilizer constitutes a forbidden benefit.

To understand the depth of this dispute between Rabbi Yose and the other sages, we must look at the underlying logic rather than a simple disagreement over physical reality. Both parties agree that the metal fragments will help fertilize the land, but they also recognize that the metal is not the sole cause of the growth; it works in conjunction with the natural properties of the soil. The core legal question is the status of an outcome brought about by two causes, one forbidden and one permitted. Rabbi Yose holds that when a benefit is produced by two such causes, it is permitted. Because the idolatrous metal is not solely responsible for the fertilization, the resulting growth is not forbidden. The other sages, however, maintain that even if the forbidden object is only one of two contributing causes, the resulting benefit remains forbidden.

In the Gemara, Rabbi Yose attempts to prove his position by citing the historical example of the Golden Calf. According to Rashi and Tosafot, Moses took the calf, burnt it, ground it into fine dust, and threw it into the wind or a stream. Rabbi Yose argues that if the Rabbis were correct about the prohibition of fertilization, Moses would not have been permitted to scatter the dust, as it would inevitably benefit the surrounding fields. Tosafot clarifies that even if the dust was thrown into a stream, the flowing water would carry it to other lands, yet this was not considered a prohibited benefit.

The other sages reject this proof, explaining that Moses did not scatter the dust to destroy it, but rather to test the people. Just as a woman suspected of infidelity is tested through the waters of a Sotah, Moses placed the ground-up calf into the water to identify those who had celebrated the idol in their hearts. Those who had worshipped it openly were already judged by the tribe of Levi or died in a plague, but the water served to reveal the hidden intentions of others. Therefore, the dust was used for a specific judicial purpose, not simply discarded in a way that would fertilize the earth. While Rabbi Yose suggests there must have been leftover dust scattered on the ground, the other sages maintain that every bit was used for the testing, nullifying his proof.

Rabbi Yose brings another proof from the book of Divrei HaYamim regarding Maacha, the mother of King Asa. She had created a perverse object for idolatrous worship, which Asa eventually destroyed by grinding it up and scattering it in Nachal Kidron. Rabbi Yose argues that Asa was clearly unconcerned with the possibility of fertilizing the valley. The sages respond that the specific area of the Nachal Kidron where Asa scattered the remains was a barren, rocky valley that did not support plant growth, thus avoiding any issue of fertilization. Although other parts of the valley near the Beit HaMikdash were fertile—to the point that the blood from sacrifices was sold to gardeners as fertilizer—Asa chose a non-fertile location for the destruction of the idol.

The Gemara then discusses the nature of the idol Maacha created. Rav Yehuda, quoting Rav Yosef, explains that it was a particularly perverse object designed for immoral acts, which she engaged in daily. This highlights the depths of the idolatry that Asa was compelled to eradicate.

A third proof is offered by Rabbi Yose from the actions of King Hizkiyahu, who crushed the copper snake that Moses had originally fashioned in the wilderness. By Hizkiyahu's time, the people had begun worshipping the snake as an idol, so he ground it up and scattered it to the wind. Rabbi Yose argues that if fertilization were a concern, Hizkiyahu would not have done this. The sages counter that the copper snake never actually attained the legal status of an idol. Since it was the private property of Moses and his heirs, the public could not render it forbidden through their worship, as one cannot make another person's property into an idol without their consent. Hizkiyahu destroyed it only as a safeguard to stop the people's misguided behavior, not because it was legally a forbidden object of idolatry.

Finally, Rabbi Yose points to the war between King David and the Philistines. The text says the Philistines abandoned their idols and David and his men carried them away. Rav Yosef interprets the term for "carrying away" as "scattering," suggesting David ground them up and dispersed them in the wind. The sages disagree, noting that another account in Divrei HaYamim states David burnt them. They explain that David only took the items after Itai HaGitti, a Philistine, had renounced and nullified them. Once a non-Jew nullifies his own idol, it loses its forbidden status and may be used. This allowed David to take the gold, including a precious stone from a crown, and use it for his own crown.

The Gemara reflects on the miracle of David's crown. Although it was immensely heavy, it was befitting for him to wear. Rabbi Yose bar Bi-Hanina suggests a magnet above his throne helped support the weight, while Rabbi Elazar suggests the weight mentioned referred to the value of its precious stones rather than its physical mass. Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi adds that the crown served as a testimony to David's righteousness; it fit him perfectly even though he wore it on his forehead to leave room for his phylacteries. Rav Shmuel bar Yitzchak explains that although the forehead is not the standard round part of the head where a crown would sit, it miraculously fit David perfectly because he observed the commandments of the Torah.

The narrative shifts to the era of the kings Yehu ben Nimshi and Yehoash. During the reign of the wicked Atalyah, who attempted to destroy the entire Davidic dynasty, the young Yehoash was hidden in the Kodesh Kodashim by the high priest Yehoyada. When Yehoash was eventually revealed and crowned at age seven, the people used a special crown that only fit those truly worthy of the kingship. This served as a divine sign of his legitimacy. In contrast, Adoniyah ben Chagit had previously attempted to seize the throne, but the crown would not fit him. Adoniyah had tried to project an image of power with fifty runners who were surgically altered to be faster and more resilient, but he lacked the internal merit required for the crown.

The Gemara then recounts a philosophical encounter between a prominent figure named Proklos and Rabban Gamliel in a bathhouse in Akko that contained a statue of Afroditi. Proklos challenged Rabban Gamliel, asking how he could bathe there when the Torah forbids deriving benefit from idolatry. Rabban Gamliel declined to answer inside the bathhouse, as it is forbidden to speak of sacred matters in such a place. Once they exited, he provided several justifications. First, he argued that he had not entered the idol's domain; rather, the idol had entered his. The bathhouse was a public utility that existed before the statue was placed there, and the statue's presence could not strip the public of their right to use the facility.

Second, Rabban Gamliel noted that the statue was merely a decoration for the bathhouse, not the reason for its existence. The bathhouse was not built to honor Afroditi; rather, the statue was placed there to enhance the bathhouse. Finally, he pointed out that the statue was treated with utter disrespect. It stood near the sewer where people urinated. He argued that an object is only considered a god if it is treated with the reverence due to a deity. Since this statue was subjected to such indignity, it did not carry the legal status of an idol.

The Gemara analyzes whether these were "stolen" or evasive answers intended merely to push Proklos away, or if they were legally sound. Rav Chama bar Yosef, quoting Rav Hoshaiah, suggests they might have been evasive, but he ultimately concludes they were legitimate. For instance, while some idols like Baal Peor are worshipped through acts of defecation, Afroditi was not. Therefore, the disrespect shown to her in the bathhouse was a genuine sign that she was not being worshipped there. Furthermore, Abaye and Rav Pappa debate the "priority" argument. While anyone is generally allowed to use a garden or bathhouse associated with an idol as long as they do not express gratitude to the priests, Rabban Gamliel's status was so high that his mere presence could be seen as a form of honor. Therefore, he needed the specific defense that the bathhouse preceded the idol to justify his attendance.

Finally, Rava bar Ulla and Rav Chama bar Yosef discuss the "decoration" argument. Although a verbal declaration alone does not usually make an object into an idol, if a bathhouse were specifically intended to honor an idol, it might be forbidden to prevent people from being drawn into actual worship. By clarifying that the statue was secondary to the bathhouse, Rabban Gamliel established that his use of the facility was entirely permitted and carried no risk of idolatrous association.