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Rabbi Eli Mansour

Daf Yomi

Bava Kamma 51A - 51B (12th Cycle Daf Yomi Shiur)

Lectured by Rabbi Eli Mansour

Published
November 7, 2006
Duration
70:30

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The Abbayé B'Sit edition of the Talmud Bavli, specifically Masechet Bava Kamma, has been generously sponsored in our Daf Yomi program by our esteemed friend and patron, Siyahu Osher HaKohen, along with his wife Rina. We pray that, with the help of Hashem, they continue to experience success, prosperity in all their endeavors, good health, happiness, and much nachat from their children, enjoying many years of shalom bayit, tranquility, and peace of mind. Amen.

Today's daf is Daf Nun Alef and was sponsored for the elevation of the souls of Yosef ben Sarah, Menachem ben Natia, Hefah bat Sarah, and Alan Messer. May their souls find rest in the Garden of Eden. Amen. Additionally, this daf has been sponsored for the complete healing of Moshe ben Dina and Natan ben Shlomit, for both physical and spiritual healing among all the sick of Israel. Amen.

We begin our study today on Nun Amud Bet, starting at the two dots, three lines after they widen. In yesterday's discussion, we encountered a fundamental machloket regarding the obligation associated with a bor. Rav asserted that the bor that the Torah mandates liability for is due to the hevel, not the chavata. He explained that when a bor is created, it produces harmful air or fumes within the cavity, which can kill an animal. On the other hand, Shmuel contended that not only is there liability for the hevel, but also for the chavata, the actual impact or bang caused by the bor itself, which exposes the bottom and can also lead to the animal's death. This distinction is crucial in understanding the obligations of the bor owner.

As the Gemara elaborated, we learned that if a bor is less than ten tefachim deep, and an ox or donkey falls into it and dies, the owner is exempt from liability. The reason is that a bor of less than ten tefachim does not constitute a liability for death, as we discussed previously. However, if the animal is damaged, the owner is liable. The Gemara asks why this is the case, suggesting that it must be because there is no chavata. This implies that whether the bor is nine or ten, there is still hevel present. Yet, the exemption arises because the bor of less than ten does not have the requisite chavata that is deemed appropriate for death.

Continuing, the Gemara provides an example: if a bor is six tefachim deep and an animal falls into it, Rav Nachman declared that the animal would be considered a tereifah due to likely broken bones from the fall. If the owner had taken a kav of wheat and gone to the Beit Midrash to inquire, he would have learned that if the animal remained alive for twenty-four hours, it could be slaughtered. The implication here is that had the owner sought guidance, he could have avoided the loss of his valuable animal.

From this, we see that Rav Nachman holds that there is indeed chavata even in a bor of less than ten tefachim, as the animal's injury indicates a level of impact. The Gemara then questions how Rav Nachman's stance aligns with the previous discussions about the bor and its dimensions. If there is no hevel in a bor of nine, how can the owner be held liable for damages? The Gemara resolves this by stating that while there may not be sufficient hevel to cause death, there is enough to cause damage.

As the discussion unfolds, the Gemara presents various scenarios involving different depths of bor and the implications of water within them. For instance, the case of a bor that is eight tefachim deep but contains two tefachim of water raises the question of whether the presence of water creates sufficient hevel to establish liability for death. The consensus is that the water contributes to the hevel, making the bor effectively ten tefachim deep.

In contrast, a bor that is nine tefachim deep with only one tefach of water presents a different challenge. The Gemara questions whether this single tefach of water is enough to create a dangerous situation. The discussion continues with various hypothetical scenarios, demonstrating the complexities of these legal principles and how they apply to different cases.

The Gemara further explores the implications of widening a bor and how that affects liability. When the width of a bor is equal to its depth, opinions differ on whether this configuration creates hevel. Some sages argue that there is always hevel unless the bor is wider than it is deep, while others believe that hevel only exists when the depth exceeds the width.

As we conclude our study today, we are reminded of the intricate nature of halachic discussions surrounding liability and the various factors that influence these rulings. The debates between Rav and Shmuel, as well as the interpretations of the Gemara, illustrate the depth of understanding required to navigate these issues effectively. May we continue to learn and grow in our understanding of these vital teachings.