A Yissachar / Zebulun Partnership in Loving Memory of Yishak ben Simcha A"H & Felicia bat Miriam A"H
Rabbi Eli Mansour

Daf Yomi

Nida 62A - 62B (12th Cycle Daf Yomi Shiur)

Lectured by Rabbi Eli Mansour

Published
May 30, 2008
Duration
77:49

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The Eddie B. Sit Edition M Audio Series of the Talmud Bavli, specifically on Masechet Niddah, has been dedicated by Ron Yaish in honor of his children, Ovadiah Avraham ben Raizel Shifrah and Levi Yitzchak ben Raizel Shifrah, as well as in honor of his wife, Raizel Shifrah bat Tova Yocheved. I would like to bless Ron Yaish and his wife, so that they should continue, Bezrat Hashem, to have more children and that they should see much Nachat from their current children, both spiritually and materially. Amen Ve'amen. Today’s learning is dedicated to the elevation of the soul of Avraham ben Yosef, may Hashem grant them rest in the Garden of Eden. Amen.

We begin today's Daf on Samech Aleph Amud Bet, starting from the bottom line. The text states, Shiva Samanim Ma'avirim Al Haketam, referring to the seven signs that can remove a stain. We discussed various detergents or chemicals used to clean Ketamim from garments. As long as the Ketam remains on the garment, whether wet or dry, it is Metameh, rendering the garment itself Tameh. To purify the garment, one must dip it in the Mikveh. However, if the Ketam is still present, what benefit is there in dipping it in the Mikveh? The garment will not become Tahor unless the Ketam is first removed.

To dissolve Ketamim, the Gemara presents a formula, as does the Mishna, which lists seven different Samanim that must be applied to the Ketam in a specific order and for a certain number of times. Only then can one dip the garment in the Mikveh. The Mishna states, Shiva Samanim Ma'avirim Al Haketam She'ein Haketam Batel Ad Sheya'aviru Kulam Alav. This means that all seven must be applied; until then, the Ketam is not considered nullified. The seven items are: Rok Taphel, which refers to tasteless saliva; Umei Gerisin, the water from split beans; Mei Raglayim, which is urine; Netar, a type of detergent; Borit, another detergent; Kamonya; and Ba'ashlag, a type of salty water.

According to Rashi, Rok Taphel refers to saliva from someone who has not eaten anything that day, making it tasteless. The Gemara will explain the nature of Umei Gerisin. The Mishna continues: if one dipped the garment with the Ketam into the Mikveh before applying these treatments, and then used the seven Samanim and the Ketam did not fade, it indicates that the stain is not blood; it must be a colorant, Tzeva. Therefore, the Taharot applied to the garment are Tehorot, as there was no need for the initial dipping in the Mikveh.

However, if the Ketam began to fade after applying the seven Samanim, it indicates that it was indeed blood, thus the Ketam remains, and the Taharot applied are Tameh. In this case, one must redip the garment in the Mikveh. The Mishna then poses the question: what constitutes Rok Taphel? It is defined as any saliva from someone who has not tasted anything that day. The Gemara further explains Umei Gerisin as the water from chewing split beans, mixed with saliva, and applied to the stain.

In regard to the application process, one must rub the item on the Ketam three times, similar to the process of washing clothes. If one applied the Samanim out of order, or if all seven were applied at once, then no effective treatment has occurred, and the Ketam remains unchanged. The Gemara clarifies that if the Ketam did not fade, one cannot conclude that it is paint, as the treatment was not performed correctly.

Next, the Gemara discusses the item called Netar, specifying that it is a particular detergent from Alexandria, while Borit is identified as a type of herb. The Gemara continues to explore the differences between these items and their effects on Ketamim and Taharot. The Mishna states that if the Ketam remained unchanged after the application of the seven Samanim, it must be paint, and thus the Taharot are Tehorot. If it faded, however, this indicates that it was blood, and the Taharot applied are Tameh.

Additionally, the Gemara raises the issue of whether the Ketam can be removed through other means, such as a stronger detergent. If so, the Taharot that were applied would be Tameh, as they were treated as if they were blood. The discussion continues to explore the nuances of how these stains are treated and the implications for the Taharot that result from the cleaning process.

As the discourse unfolds, the Gemara examines various scenarios and the halachic implications of each, emphasizing the importance of properly following the prescribed methods for stain removal. The distinctions between blood and paint, as well as the necessity of adhering to the order and method of applying the Samanim, are critical to determining the status of the Taharot and the garment itself.

In conclusion, the discussions within the Gemara and Mishna illustrate the complexity of halachic rulings regarding stains and purification. The meticulous attention to detail in the methods of cleaning and the implications of each action highlight the depth of the halachic process and the significance of maintaining purity within the Jewish tradition. Baruch Adonai l'olam, Amen Ve'amen.