A Yissachar / Zebulun Partnership in Loving Memory of Yishak ben Simcha A"H & Felicia bat Miriam A"H
Rabbi Eli Mansour

Daf Yomi

Nida 65A - 65B (12th Cycle Daf Yomi Shiur)

Lectured by Rabbi Eli Mansour

Published
May 31, 2008
Duration
61:39

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The Eddie B Sitt edition of the Talmud Bavli, specifically Masechet Niddah, has been dedicated by Ron Yaish in honor of his children, Ovadia Avraham ben Rachel Shifra and Levi Yitzchak ben Rachel Shifra, as well as in honor of his wife, Rachel Shifra bat Tova Yocheved. We bless Ron Yaish and his wife that they should continue, with God's help, to have more children and that they should derive much nachat from their current children, both spiritually and materially. Amen.

We begin today on Daf Samech-Hei, studying in the merit of Avraham ben Ester and Yosef ben Somo. May their souls rest in Gan Eden, Amen. Today, we are on Samech-Dalet Amud-Bet, starting with the words "Itmar." This section begins with the statement, "Ba'al velo matza dam"—the husband had relations and did not find blood during the first encounter. However, upon returning and having relations again, he found blood. Here, we encounter a disagreement between Rav Chanina and Rav Assi. Rav Chanina states that the woman is considered tme'ah (impure), even though this is a new situation, while Rav Assi argues that she is tehorah (pure).

The crux of their disagreement lies in the interpretation of the blood. Rav Chanina argues that if there had been blood initially, it should have been seen during the first encounter. Therefore, the blood discovered later must be blood associated with niddah (menstrual impurity). Conversely, Rav Assi suggests that the first encounter might have occurred in a manner similar to Shmuel’s teaching, which allows for the possibility of having relations without the presence of blood. Shmuel claimed he could engage in multiple relations without encountering blood due to his expertise. However, it is noted that not everyone possesses this ability, as Shmuel was particularly skilled. Thus, this disagreement highlights the complexities surrounding the implications of blood in marital relations.

Next, we turn to a case regarding a bogeret—a girl who has reached the age of twelve years and six months. According to Rav, a bogeret is given the first night of relations, and that is sufficient. In contrast, Beit Hillel, as stated in the Mishnah, asserts that a betulah (virgin) who has reached her time to see blood is granted four nights. Rav maintains that the betulah mentioned in the Mishnah refers specifically to a na'arah (young girl) and that a bogeret, being older, is more likely to see blood, and thus does not require the four nights for the assumption of betulim (virginity).

The reasoning behind Rav’s position is that as a girl matures, she becomes more prone to niddah. Alternatively, one could argue that as she ages, the betulim become less significant, leading to fewer nights of assumption. Rav’s ruling is that a bogeret is given only the first night. This ruling applies specifically to a case where she did not see any blood. However, if she has seen blood, she is only granted the first night for a mitzvah, and no more.

The Gemara raises a challenge regarding a situation where a Rebbe granted four nights within a twelve-month period to a certain betulah who got married. This indicates that the Rebbe allowed for multiple encounters over the course of the year, suggesting that the halacha is not as straightforward as Rav and Shmuel might imply. The discussion continues to explore whether the girl was a ketanah (minor), na'arah, or bogeret at the time of marriage, and the implications of these statuses on the halachic rulings.

As the Gemara delves deeper into the nuances of these cases, it becomes clear that the distinctions between the different stages of a girl's maturity—ketanah, na'arah, and bogeret—are significant when determining the halachic outcomes regarding their purity and the expectations of their husbands. The discussion emphasizes the importance of understanding these stages to apply the correct halachic rulings.

Ultimately, the halacha concludes that a husband who engages in relations with his wife, whether she has seen blood or not, is to be considered as fulfilling a mitzvah, regardless of whether the time has come for her to see blood. This principle holds true in various scenarios, illustrating the overarching theme of the Gemara that emphasizes the importance of understanding the halachic implications of marital relations and the statuses of women within these contexts.

In summary, the halacha regarding marital relations and the implications of blood is complex and requires careful consideration of various factors, including the maturity of the woman and the circumstances surrounding their encounters. The teachings of the Gemara guide us in navigating these intricacies, ensuring that we uphold the sanctity of marital relations in accordance with halachic principles.

Baruch Hashem l'olam, Amen.