A Yissachar / Zebulun Partnership in Loving Memory of Yishak ben Simcha A"H & Felicia bat Miriam A"H
Rabbi Eli Mansour

Daf Yomi

Avodah Zarah 32A - 32B (12th Cycle Daf Yomi Shiur)

Lectured by Rabbi Eli Mansour

Published
July 23, 2007
Duration
51:10

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The Eddie D. Sit edition and audio series of the Talmud Bavli Gemara Amud 32b has been studied for the elevation of the soul of Avraham ben Esther, and may the spirit of Hashem rest upon him in Gan Eden, Amen. Additionally, we pray for a complete recovery for Vicki bat Jamie, may she be healed in body and soul, and may her healing come soon, Amen. We begin today's Daf on Lamed Aleph Amud Bet, starting with the words Amar Shmuel, three lines from the bottom. Amar Shmuel states that all creeping creatures possess venom akin to that of a snake. This assertion indicates that while the venom of a snake is deadly, the venom of other creeping creatures, as discussed in the Torah, is not fatal. The term 'creeping creatures' refers to those that crawl upon the ground, as defined by the Torah.

Shmuel then addresses Chiya bar Rav, saying, "Come and I will share with you some valuable teachings that your father, Rav, used to convey." He continues, "Your father stated that these Gentiles appear bloated because they consume liquids left uncovered, which may contain snake venom, yet they do not die from it. Instead, they become bloated, as their bodies heat up from consuming non-kosher creatures, rendering them somewhat immune to snake venom. This dietary habit protects them, allowing them to survive the effects of such poison, while a Jew, who abstains from such foods, is more vulnerable to its effects."

Rav Yosef then comments that the vinegar produced by Gentiles from beer is prohibited because it contains sediments from wine, which is classified as yayin nesech. This is a concern since such sediments are considered forbidden for benefit. He explains that if the sediments are less valuable than the vinegar, it is likely that the Gentile seller would dilute the vinegar with these sediments to save costs. However, if the sediments are more expensive, there is no reason to suspect they would be added to the vinegar.

Rav Ashi remarks that if one acquires vinegar directly from the Gentile's storage, it is permissible, as the Gentile would not add sediments that spoil the vinegar in his own stock. The reasoning is that the addition of sediments would cause the vinegar to spoil more quickly, and thus, if it is for personal use, he would avoid adding them. The halacha states that if purchased from a store, one must be cautious, as the seller aims for quick sales and may add such sediments.

Continuing, we discuss Hadriani pottery, which has been deemed prohibited. The Gemara inquires about the nature of this pottery, and Rav Yehuda cites Shmuel, explaining that it is pottery from Hadrian Caesar. During wartime, these vessels were used to transport wine, which absorbed into the clay, making the wine potent. Rav Dimi elaborates that the land during Hadrian's time was virgin soil, fertile and untouched. Grapes were planted there, and strong wine was produced, leading to the creation of these special vessels.

The Gemara highlights that wherever they traveled, they would soak the pottery to extract the wine, making it convenient for transport. Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi notes that the quality of wine produced in these vessels is exceptionally high, equating it to the finest wine available today. Consequently, the sages declared these vessels prohibited due to the presence of yayin nesech.

The Gemara raises a question regarding the use of Hadriani pottery to support a bed. The concern lies in whether one may benefit from the pottery, given that it contains wine. The discussion revolves around the concept of "wanting the existence" of forbidden items, which is a significant halachic consideration. If a Jew desires the pottery for its own sake, even if the wine is not of concern, it may still be prohibited.

The Gemara explores the principle of wanting a forbidden item merely as a means to an end. It is established that a Jew cannot express a desire for the existence of idolatry or any item associated with it. If a Gentile offers to sell wine, and a Jew agrees to wait for the sale to receive payment, this is problematic because it implies a desire for the wine to remain in existence. This is a rabbinic prohibition, rooted in the Torah's command to destroy idolatry.

The discussion continues with the Gemara analyzing the implications of using Gentile pottery under the bed. The question arises whether it is permissible to benefit from the pottery if the wine is not directly desired. The Gemara references a debate among the sages, revealing differing opinions on whether such use constitutes a desire for the forbidden item.

In a further analysis, the Gemara examines various cases involving Gentile vessels. It is noted that while some vessels are explicitly prohibited, others may be permissible depending on their condition and usage. The discussion emphasizes the importance of intent and the potential consequences of using such items, particularly when the wine's presence is evident.

Ultimately, the Gemara concludes with a nuanced understanding of the halachic implications of using Gentile pottery, particularly Hadriani pottery, while maintaining a clear distinction between cases based on the visibility of the wine and the nature of the pottery itself. This exploration illustrates the intricate balance between practical halacha and the underlying principles governing the Jewish approach to interactions with non-kosher items.

As the discussion draws to a close, the Gemara reiterates the importance of intention and the potential ramifications of one's actions in relation to halachic law. The careful examination of each case serves as a reminder of the complexities inherent in Jewish law and the necessity of maintaining a mindful approach to observance.

Baruch Hashem le-olam, Amen ve-Amen.