A Yissachar / Zebulun Partnership in Loving Memory of Yishak ben Simcha A"H & Felicia bat Miriam A"H
Rabbi Eli Mansour

Daf Yomi

Avodah Zarah 16A - 16B (12th Cycle Daf Yomi Shiur)

Lectured by Rabbi Eli Mansour

Published
July 12, 2007
Duration
31:47

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The Eddie D. Sitt edition presents an audio series of the Talmud Bavli, focusing on Avodah Zarah Daf Tet-Vav Amud Bet. This daf is sponsored for the elevation of the soul of Avraham ben Ester and for the healing of Mickey ben Jamie. We begin discussing the topic of Nevuchadnetzar, and may it be God's will, and we say Amen.

Today’s learning commences on Tet-Vav Amud Bet, where we find ourselves nine lines from the bottom. The text states, Amar Dimi bar Abba, indicating that just as it is prohibited to sell to idol worshippers, it is also forbidden to sell weapons to Jewish robbers. This is rooted in the concern that these weapons may be used against us.

The Gemara asks, “What is the case?” If these Jewish robbers are suspected of murder, it is clear why selling to them would be prohibited, as they are akin to idol worshippers in this context. However, if they are not suspected of murder, why is it still forbidden to sell them weapons? The Gemara clarifies that we are indeed discussing a case where they are not suspected of murder. Here, the concern is that these robbers might use the weapons for robbery.

Specifically, the Gemara explains that we are dealing with mashmeta, referring to individuals who might rob others without necessarily being murderers. Rashi elaborates that they may resort to violence when fleeing from pursuers, thus justifying the prohibition against selling them weapons, as this would facilitate their theft.

Furthermore, the Gemara cites a Baraita stating that it is forbidden to sell shields to idol worshippers. The Gemara questions this, as shields are not weapons. Some say that selling shields is permissible, while others maintain the prohibition, explaining that shields can ultimately serve as weapons in combat. Rashi comments that when they run out of ammunition, they may use shields to harm others.

In discussing the permissibility of selling shields, the Gemara introduces the principle of lifnei iver, which cautions against providing support that may lead to sin. The Gemara continues to analyze the implications of selling various items to idol worshippers, emphasizing the importance of context and the potential consequences of such transactions.

Next, the Gemara states that one cannot sell a Jewish robber metal that could be fashioned into weapons. The concern is that they may create weapons from the metal, which would be prohibited. The discussion then shifts to the question of whether one can sell a horse to idol worshippers. Ben Beteira permits this, arguing that riding a horse does not constitute a significant concern on Shabbat, as it is only a rabbinic prohibition.

However, the Rabbis disagree, citing two concerns: one regarding the horse being a tool of warfare, and the other regarding its potential use on Shabbat. The Gemara explains that the horse could be used to trample enemies in battle, thus justifying the prohibition against selling it. The debate continues, with Rabbi Yehuda arguing that it is permissible to sell a horse that does not work. The Gemara concludes that the halacha follows Ben Beteira, allowing sales of horses under certain conditions.

The discussion then turns to the sale of animals to idol worshippers, particularly agalin ve'seyachim, small animals. The concern arises from the potential for these animals to be used for work on Shabbat. The Gemara cites Rabbi Yehuda, who permits selling a broken animal to a non-Jew, as it cannot work. This raises a question of marit ayin, or the appearance of wrongdoing, if a Jew sells any animal to a non-Jew.

The Gemara continues to explore the implications of selling various types of animals, including the shor shel pittam, a fattened ox. The discussion highlights the complexities of halachic rulings concerning animals and their use, especially in the context of non-Jewish ownership.

Rav Ashi remarks on the halacha regarding chaya gassa, noting that it is treated similarly to a behema daka in terms of the laws of pirchus. This indicates that the laws governing the sale of animals are influenced by their intended use and the potential for work on Shabbat.

Ultimately, the halacha concludes that while there are specific prohibitions against selling certain animals to idol worshippers, there are also allowances based on the nature of the animals and the customs of the community. The discussion illustrates the careful balance between adhering to halachic principles and addressing practical concerns within the community.

As we conclude this exploration, we recognize the significance of these rulings and their application in contemporary contexts. The halachic discourse emphasizes the importance of intention, community norms, and the potential impact of our actions on others.

May our learning be a source of merit for all, and may we continue to engage with these texts thoughtfully and respectfully.