A Yissachar / Zebulun Partnership in Loving Memory of Yishak ben Simcha A"H & Felicia bat Miriam A"H
Rabbi Eli Mansour

Daf Yomi

Hulin 86A - 86B (12th Cycle Daf Yomi Shiur)

Lectured by Rabbi Eli Mansour

Published
January 19, 2008
Duration
58:06

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The Eddie Abitset Edition presents an audio series of the Talmud Bavli, specifically focusing on Masechet Chullin. This series has been graciously dedicated by our dear friend Mr. Joey Jamal and his wife in honor of their son Jack's engagement to Shirley Sutton. May it be, with the help of God, that they marry at a good and successful time, and through the merit of the study we will engage in over the next several months in Masechet Chullin, may they experience much joy, peace in the home, prosperity, and all blessings, amen. Today's page is Daf Peh-Vav, dedicated to the elevation of the souls of Avraham ben Yosef and Moshe ben Nuna. May the spirit of God rest upon them in the Garden of Eden, amen.

We begin our discussion with the case of a deaf-mute, an insane person, and a minor who have performed a slaughtering. The terms Cheresh, Shoteh, and Katan refer to individuals who lack the requisite understanding. In this context, if others are observing their actions, as we have learned back on Daf Bet, we find that if someone is present to ensure the slaughter is done correctly, they can testify to its validity. However, the individual supervising must then perform Kisuy HaDam, the ritual covering of the blood. While there is no obligation for the Cheresh, Shoteh, and Katan to perform this act, the supervisor is required to do so upon witnessing the blood on the ground.

When these individuals act independently, without supervision, they are exempt from the obligation of Kisuy HaDam. This is because it is likely that the slaughter was performed incorrectly, and if it was not a valid slaughter, there is no mitzvah to cover the blood. The same principle applies to the scenario involving a mother and her offspring. If they are slaughtered in the presence of witnesses, it is prohibited to slaughter the offspring afterward. However, if they acted alone, Rabbi Meir permits the slaughtering of the offspring, while the Sages prohibit it. The presence of a supervisor during the slaughtering process indicates that the slaughter was valid, and thus the prohibition against slaughtering the offspring applies. Conversely, without a supervisor, we encounter a dispute between Rabbi Meir and the Sages.

Rabbi Meir argues that since most slaughters performed by minors are invalid, one may rely on the majority and proceed to slaughter the offspring. The Sages, however, maintain that it is forbidden to do so because there is a possibility that the initial slaughter was indeed valid. This distinction is crucial, as it highlights the different halachic outcomes based on the presence or absence of supervision.

Furthermore, it is agreed that if the minor performed the slaughtering without supervision, and another individual subsequently slaughtered the offspring, even the Sages would not impose lashes because the situation is uncertain. The reasoning is that if the initial slaughter was invalid, there is no prohibition against slaughtering the offspring. This uncertainty leads to a principle of Hatra'at Safek, a warning concerning a doubtful situation.

In the Gemara, a question arises regarding the differing rulings of the Sages in these cases. In the first case concerning Kisuy HaDam, the Sages stated that if there was a supervisor, one must perform Kisuy HaDam. Without a supervisor, there is no requirement. Yet in the case of the mother and offspring, the Sages argue against slaughtering the offspring without supervision. This raises the question of why the laws of Kisuy HaDam do not apply in the same manner.

The Gemara explains that in the case of Kisuy HaDam, if a bystander observes the act of covering the blood, they might conclude that the slaughter was valid, leading them to eat from the meat. Thus, the act of covering the blood serves a different purpose than the prohibition against slaughtering the offspring, where the absence of slaughtering the offspring does not imply the validity of the initial slaughter.

Continuing this exploration, the Gemara questions the implications of slaughtering in a garbage dump, where the act of covering the blood would not be visible. In such cases, the individual might ask a rabbi what to do, leading to the potential misunderstanding that the meat was validly slaughtered. The discussion deepens as the Gemara emphasizes that the distinction between Sefek Tumah and Sefek Issur plays a significant role in how we approach these halachic questions.

Ultimately, Rabbi Meir's position is clarified: he maintains that the slaughtering of a minor is considered invalid, akin to a Neveila, a carcass. This understanding arises from the principle that the majority of minors do not perform valid slaughtering. The Gemara further discusses the implications of relying on the majority versus the minority, emphasizing the need to consider the status of the animal before and after the slaughter.

In conclusion, the halachic discussions surrounding the actions of a Cheresh, Shoteh, and Katan reveal the complexities of Jewish law regarding slaughtering and the importance of supervision. The differing opinions of Rabbi Meir and the Sages illustrate how halachic reasoning can lead to varied conclusions based on the presence or absence of witnesses and the understanding of the individuals involved. This intricate web of halachic thought serves as a reminder of the depth and nuance within our tradition.